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carveone
Do Gumstix prefer website update suggestions to be communicated on
this mailing list? Or is it better to use the wiki. Here's my
suggestions for the  http://gumstix.org/basic-cross-compilation.html
page anyway:

You might link "Getting the kernel source code" over to
http://gumstix.org/access-source-code.html so it's in one place (as it
still refers to the Sakoman tree). As a matter of interest, it can be
faster to pull the Zip file directly for that branch rather than pull
the entire history of the git tree (I hate doing that when I just want
the files!). You can do that with a browser or with wget/curl. So for
DuoVero you can do:

wget https://github.com/gumstix/linux/archive/omap-3.6.zip

Under "Building the Kernel": I'm not sure about the defconfig for
Overo but for Duovero the config wouldn't be correct. I feel it can be
better to use the bitbake recipes that Gumstix themselves use
(https://github.com/gumstix/meta-gumstix) and just pull the required
defconfig straight from there. In other words:

wget https://raw.github.com/gumstix/meta-gumstix/dylan/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-gumstix-3.6/duovero/defconfig

will pull the defconfig for Duovero straight down where it can be
copied into arch/arm/configs/duovero_defconfig (or whatever). I
checked that config against one that was posted to the mailing list by
Ash Charles (http://gumstix.8.x6.nabble.com/defconfig-for-Duovero-td4965702.html)
and it's the same (more or less!). It makes too.

Thanks,

Conor.

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Re: Updates and corrigenda to website

Andrew Simpson
Hi Conor,

Thank you for your excellent suggestions! I hope to make the suggested changes in the coming days as time permits - it should (hopefully) make things much clearer.

Thanks again!

Andrew Simpson
Content Developer
    

On 14 November 2013 02:56, Conor O'Rourke <[hidden email]> wrote:
Do Gumstix prefer website update suggestions to be communicated on
this mailing list? Or is it better to use the wiki. Here's my
suggestions for the  http://gumstix.org/basic-cross-compilation.html
page anyway:

You might link "Getting the kernel source code" over to
http://gumstix.org/access-source-code.html so it's in one place (as it
still refers to the Sakoman tree). As a matter of interest, it can be
faster to pull the Zip file directly for that branch rather than pull
the entire history of the git tree (I hate doing that when I just want
the files!). You can do that with a browser or with wget/curl. So for
DuoVero you can do:

wget https://github.com/gumstix/linux/archive/omap-3.6.zip

Under "Building the Kernel": I'm not sure about the defconfig for
Overo but for Duovero the config wouldn't be correct. I feel it can be
better to use the bitbake recipes that Gumstix themselves use
(https://github.com/gumstix/meta-gumstix) and just pull the required
defconfig straight from there. In other words:

wget https://raw.github.com/gumstix/meta-gumstix/dylan/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-gumstix-3.6/duovero/defconfig

will pull the defconfig for Duovero straight down where it can be
copied into arch/arm/configs/duovero_defconfig (or whatever). I
checked that config against one that was posted to the mailing list by
Ash Charles (http://gumstix.8.x6.nabble.com/defconfig-for-Duovero-td4965702.html)
and it's the same (more or less!). It makes too.

Thanks,

Conor.

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This is exactly what I wanted to point out as well. I'm a new user (although my lab has been use Gumstix for quite some time) It's hard to find the right,updated, guide. Some important links people always mentioned in the archives like this one : http://www.gumstix.net/Setup-and-Programming/view/Overo-Setup-and-Programming/Setting-up-a-build-environment/111.html is no longer accessible.
And the wireless bring up for Overo is a headache as well. I tried OMAP3.2 branch which on the website claims to be the best choice, but Libertas_sdio just does't work with the SD8686 firmware (I tried all the version I could get online, sd8686,sd8686_v8,v9..just couldn't get it work). 3.5 branch works...
I'm not sure if other people have the same issue...


On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Andrew Simpson <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Conor,

Thank you for your excellent suggestions! I hope to make the suggested changes in the coming days as time permits - it should (hopefully) make things much clearer.

Thanks again!

Andrew Simpson
Content Developer
    

On 14 November 2013 02:56, Conor O'Rourke <[hidden email]> wrote:
Do Gumstix prefer website update suggestions to be communicated on
this mailing list? Or is it better to use the wiki. Here's my
suggestions for the  http://gumstix.org/basic-cross-compilation.html
page anyway:

You might link "Getting the kernel source code" over to
http://gumstix.org/access-source-code.html so it's in one place (as it
still refers to the Sakoman tree). As a matter of interest, it can be
faster to pull the Zip file directly for that branch rather than pull
the entire history of the git tree (I hate doing that when I just want
the files!). You can do that with a browser or with wget/curl. So for
DuoVero you can do:

wget https://github.com/gumstix/linux/archive/omap-3.6.zip

Under "Building the Kernel": I'm not sure about the defconfig for
Overo but for Duovero the config wouldn't be correct. I feel it can be
better to use the bitbake recipes that Gumstix themselves use
(https://github.com/gumstix/meta-gumstix) and just pull the required
defconfig straight from there. In other words:

wget https://raw.github.com/gumstix/meta-gumstix/dylan/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-gumstix-3.6/duovero/defconfig

will pull the defconfig for Duovero straight down where it can be
copied into arch/arm/configs/duovero_defconfig (or whatever). I
checked that config against one that was posted to the mailing list by
Ash Charles (http://gumstix.8.x6.nabble.com/defconfig-for-Duovero-td4965702.html)
and it's the same (more or less!). It makes too.

Thanks,

Conor.

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Sure thing, happy to help if I can. I'm been involved with large
system projects before (QNX, Solaris) and when things move quickly
like your move to Yocto, it can be darn hard to keep the docs in tune
- especially as the more used to a system you are, the less obvious
documentation issue appear. Also the docs/content person is normally
not in the same space as the development team.

If it helps to push hints and tips to the wiki, I'll do that too. I
only have the board a few weeks and haven't done much with it yet.
Critical Link's docs (same sort of space as you are) had the ability
for registered users to append comments to the bottom of their wiki
based documention. Sometimes this helps...

Thanks,
Conor.

On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Andrew Simpson <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Hi Conor,
>
> Thank you for your excellent suggestions! I hope to make the suggested changes in the coming days as time permits - it should (hopefully) make things much clearer.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Andrew Simpson
> Content Developer
> [hidden email] | www.gumstix.com
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adam
Thank you Conor and Airie. I am one of the maintainers of the Gumstix Yocto Project (and its supporting documents). While we do our best to keep the documentation section up-to-date, it is indeed difficult with a moving target (and thank you very much for understanding this, Conor!). This is my personal opinion - it would be great to get help from the Gumstix community to maintain and improve both the documentation section and as well as our Github repository, whether it is in the form of direct contribution to the wikipage or through pull request to Github. Even posting complains to this mailing list is welcome, as long as they are constructive. Ultimately I'd like to see the wiki page (wiki.gumstix.org) more active. I am aware it has its own issues such as no easy user sign up. I will try to make the wiki more approachable this weekend. While I am at it, please feel free to suggest other improvements. Additionally, I think one of the problems is that we haven't been communicating effectively with the community. So recently I began using the Issues feature in Github to make the development process more transparent to everyone (including to ourselves). For example, http://bit.ly/18ATZLS and http://bit.ly/1bt0Vvj and http://bit.ly/18AU9TG. I hope that this keeps the community informed on the progress and as well as give a better way to provide feedbacks. Most of the above statements are my personal opinion. I am probably overlooking more urgent issues that can serve the community better. If so, please let me know. 

Adam


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 5:30 AM, carveone [via Gumstix] <[hidden email]> wrote:
Sure thing, happy to help if I can. I'm been involved with large
system projects before (QNX, Solaris) and when things move quickly
like your move to Yocto, it can be darn hard to keep the docs in tune
- especially as the more used to a system you are, the less obvious
documentation issue appear. Also the docs/content person is normally
not in the same space as the development team.

If it helps to push hints and tips to the wiki, I'll do that too. I
only have the board a few weeks and haven't done much with it yet.
Critical Link's docs (same sort of space as you are) had the ability
for registered users to append comments to the bottom of their wiki
based documention. Sometimes this helps...

Thanks,
Conor.

On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Andrew Simpson <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Hi Conor,
>
> Thank you for your excellent suggestions! I hope to make the suggested changes in the coming days as time permits - it should (hopefully) make things much clearer.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Andrew Simpson
> Content Developer
> [hidden email] | www.gumstix.com
[snip]

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Great, thanks Adam. The documentation as a whole is an awful lot
clearer than it was before. It was quite hard to figure out quite what
to do or where to start and there were a few duplicate pages with
slightly different information on them (the making a bootable SD card
one in particular). I've added a page or two to the wiki where I think
it might help (under Linux kernel and Connecting hardware).

One thing that I did notice was that the page:
http://gumstix.org/update-to-the-latest-software.html has a (DuoVero)
console image added to it. But I should tell others that that
particular one appears to be quite cut down - no compiler for example.
I found that there was another one that was just an alteration of the
XFCE URL name and was much larger:

XFCE:
  http://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/gumstix-yocto/Releases/2013-08-12/duovero/dev/gumstix-xfce-image-duovero.tar.bz2

Console:
  http://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/gumstix-yocto/Releases/2013-08-12/duovero/dev/gumstix-console-image-duovero.tar.bz2

Not sure why this is but it's a lot better without having XFCE in there.

Thanks,

Conor

On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 6:51 PM, adam <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thank you Conor and Airie. I am one of the maintainers of the Gumstix Yocto
> Project (and its supporting documents). While we do our best to keep the
> documentation section up-to-date, it is indeed difficult with a moving
> target (and thank you very much for understanding this, Conor!). This is my
> personal opinion - it would be great to get help from the Gumstix community
> to maintain and improve both the documentation section and as well as our
> Github repository, whether it is in the form of direct contribution to the
> wikipage or through pull request to Github. Even posting complains to this
> mailing list is welcome, as long as they are constructive. Ultimately I'd
> like to see the wiki page (wiki.gumstix.org) more active. I am aware it has
> its own issues such as no easy user sign up. I will try to make the wiki
> more approachable this weekend. While I am at it, please feel free to
> suggest other improvements. Additionally, I think one of the problems is
> that we haven't been communicating effectively with the community. So
> recently I began using the Issues feature in Github to make the development
> process more transparent to everyone (including to ourselves). For example,
> http://bit.ly/18ATZLS and http://bit.ly/1bt0Vvj and http://bit.ly/18AU9TG. I
> hope that this keeps the community informed on the progress and as well as
> give a better way to provide feedbacks. Most of the above statements are my
> personal opinion. I am probably overlooking more urgent issues that can
> serve the community better. If so, please let me know.
>
> Adam

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